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Senior Fleet Results
41-boat fleet 8 races one throw out |
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The red number is your throwout |
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The blue number is the tie breaker |
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Total |
Place |
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Art |
Lange |
11783 |
1 |
13 |
5 |
5 |
2 |
1 |
13 |
6 |
13 |
33 |
1 |
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Richard |
Bergsund |
11859 |
8 |
1 |
18 |
1 |
4 |
2 |
17 |
2 |
18 |
35 |
2 |
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Dave |
Vickland |
11768 |
10 |
36 |
4 |
4 |
1 |
3 |
12 |
4 |
36 |
38 |
3 |
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Aad |
Rommelse |
11453 |
3 |
6 |
1 |
6 |
9 |
9 |
7 |
7 |
9 |
39 |
4 |
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Gordie |
Nash |
11500 |
5 |
2 |
19 |
8 |
17 |
6 |
1 |
1 |
19 |
40 |
5 |
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George |
Morris |
10454 |
7 |
4 |
26 |
7 |
5 |
15 |
3 |
9 |
26 |
50 |
6 |
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Paul |
Tara |
11827 |
11 |
16 |
20 |
2 |
22 |
4 |
10 |
3 |
22 |
66 |
7 |
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John |
Pacholski |
11815 |
14 |
15 |
2 |
18 |
3 |
11 |
6 |
17 |
18 |
68 |
8 |
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Buzz |
Blackett |
11856 |
6 |
14 |
11 |
15 |
10 |
21 |
4 |
10 |
21 |
70 |
9 |
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Bruce |
Bradfute |
11746 |
16 |
7 |
31 |
22 |
6 |
14 |
2 |
8 |
31 |
75 |
10 |
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Mike |
Quinn |
11857 |
2 |
8 |
28 |
13 |
15 |
7 |
18 |
14 |
28 |
77 |
11 |
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John |
Liebenberg |
11657 |
9 |
12 |
6 |
21 |
11 |
5 |
19 |
20 |
21 |
82 |
12 |
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Vickie |
Gillmore |
4714 |
17 |
10 |
7 |
14 |
8 |
17 |
9 |
21 |
21 |
82 |
13 |
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Chris |
Straub |
11760 |
12 |
3 |
15 |
10 |
26 |
12 |
20 |
13 |
26 |
85 |
14 |
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Greg |
Morrill |
11770 |
4 |
9 |
23 |
3 |
25 |
19 |
16 |
15 |
25 |
89 |
15 |
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Bob |
Hrubes |
11391 |
18 |
23 |
13 |
9 |
7 |
18 |
32 |
12 |
32 |
100 |
16 |
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Steve |
Lowry |
10944 |
26 |
5 |
3 |
24 |
19 |
16 |
28 |
16 |
28 |
109 |
17 |
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Don |
Hebard |
10945 |
33 |
21 |
8 |
19 |
13 |
20 |
8 |
22 |
33 |
111 |
18 |
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Ray |
Torok |
11711 |
25 |
17 |
17 |
20 |
18 |
13 |
24 |
5 |
25 |
114 |
19 |
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John |
Copeland |
11532 |
21 |
19 |
16 |
12 |
29 |
23 |
5 |
19 |
29 |
115 |
20 |
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Bruce |
Heckman |
11874 |
23 |
22 |
30 |
17 |
12 |
10 |
27 |
11 |
30 |
122 |
21 |
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Art |
Lewis |
11458 |
27 |
11 |
9 |
11 |
36 |
8 |
21 |
36 |
36 |
123 |
22 |
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Richard |
Daunt |
11801 |
36 |
18 |
14 |
26 |
14 |
22 |
15 |
24 |
36 |
133 |
23 |
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Stacy |
Mettier |
11651 |
24 |
29 |
22 |
23 |
16 |
25 |
11 |
23 |
29 |
144 |
24 |
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Jim |
Haire |
11880 |
13 |
24 |
10 |
27 |
36 |
28 |
14 |
30 |
36 |
146 |
25 |
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David |
Cookson |
11661 |
19 |
20 |
27 |
16 |
24 |
29 |
36 |
18 |
36 |
153 |
26 |
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Paul |
Zander |
5958 |
15 |
25 |
24 |
29 |
23 |
24 |
25 |
26 |
29 |
162 |
27 |
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Vern |
Tucker |
11792 |
20 |
30 |
33 |
25 |
20 |
31 |
31 |
27 |
33 |
184 |
28 |
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John |
Dykmans |
11691 |
22 |
27 |
32 |
28 |
30 |
30 |
23 |
31 |
32 |
191 |
29 |
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Pete |
Blasberg |
11401 |
28 |
36 |
29 |
36 |
21 |
27 |
26 |
25 |
36 |
192 |
30 |
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Dennis |
McDowell |
11752 |
29 |
36 |
12 |
36 |
28 |
36 |
22 |
36 |
36 |
199 |
31 |
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Curtis |
Willemssen |
11759 |
32 |
28 |
21 |
30 |
31 |
33 |
29 |
32 |
33 |
203 |
32 |
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Debbie |
Daunt |
11507 |
30 |
31 |
34 |
31 |
27 |
26 |
30 |
28 |
34 |
203 |
33 |
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Larry |
Burton |
11629 |
31 |
26 |
25 |
32 |
32 |
32 |
33 |
29 |
33 |
207 |
34 |
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John |
Gillmore |
11647 |
36 |
36 |
36 |
36 |
36 |
36 |
36 |
36 |
36 |
252 |
35 |
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Junior Fleet Results
(14 and under)
9 boat fleet 8 races one throw out |
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The red number is your throwout |
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The blue number is the tie breaker |
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Total |
Place |
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Max |
Fraser |
11820 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
1 |
3 |
3 |
3 |
9 |
1 |
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Allen |
Sterling |
11159 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
3 |
3 |
2 |
2 |
2 |
3 |
15 |
2 |
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David |
Liebenberg |
1657 |
3 |
3 |
7 |
2 |
2 |
6 |
1 |
1 |
7 |
18 |
3 |
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Pierce |
Burton |
10731 |
5 |
6 |
3 |
6 |
4 |
4 |
5 |
5 |
6 |
32 |
4 |
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Allison |
Heckman |
10798 |
6 |
7 |
4 |
8 |
5 |
3 |
6 |
7 |
8 |
38 |
5 |
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Garrett |
Torok |
2835 |
4 |
4 |
5 |
4 |
7 |
10 |
10 |
4 |
10 |
38 |
6 |
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David |
Blackett |
11761 |
8 |
5 |
8 |
7 |
6 |
5 |
7 |
6 |
8 |
44 |
7 |
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Camille |
Barry |
10253 |
10 |
9 |
6 |
5 |
8 |
7 |
4 |
8 |
10 |
47 |
8 |
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James |
Daunt |
11081 |
7 |
8 |
9 |
9 |
9 |
8 |
8 |
10 |
10 |
58 |
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NA's Wrap-Up
El Toro
NA’S held at Pinecrest Lake Aug 1st thru 5th, 50 boats
with representatives from three states. Atypical mountain lake conditions
with all the locals saying “never seen winds like this before”.. Winds 5 to 15
in the puffs, T-shirt weather all week. Format had each fleet sail two races
a day, with the seniors and juniors trading which fleet goes first so that
everyone had a chance to navigate in the front of the pack. One race each day
in the standard windward leeward courses, followed by a “Traditional Pinecrest
Course” using the local marks with their names not numbers and each local
course has it’s own name. Windward marks named “Beach, Tower, or Tunnel, and
leeward marks now known to all the Toro sailors as “Cove”, “Stump”, and “North
Shore”. Winds blew down the main section of lake and down the Tower section
of course giving a double weather leg going two different directions, keeping
sailors working hard for each shift.
Senior
fleet had no one sailor dominating the group, with the winner being decided
between the top three boats on the last beat of 8 races. Art Lange came out
ahead of local Pinecrest Sailor Richard Bergsund by only 2 points follow by
Dave Vickland only 3 more points behind.. With 38 seniors in the last race it
was a worthy battle. Junior winner Max Fraser set the pace by winning the
first 6 races and then let Allen Sterling from Hawaii and David Liebenberg
fight it out for second. Max went up the mountain a week early to practice
with the local fleet, and it paid off, as he was very comfortable with
whatever the lake dealt out. All the Toro sailors agreed that Pinecrest
should be added to our rotation of Nationals locations with great weather,
camping & cabins and an active local fleet.
-Fred
Paxton
Proposed Changes to NA
Rules
Both changes passed by mail-in vote of General Membership
(8/04)
The following changes have been proposed to the rules of
NA’s. We are presenting this for a vote to the general membership by MAIL IN
ballot. The outcome of which to be decided and take effect before NA’s in
August 2004.
Please read over the proposal and voice your opinion with
the ballot included in the May Shovel Bulletin or you can down load the ballot
above. Return your ballot with your 2004 membership form and dues, no later
than June 15, 2004. Only 2004 paid member’s votes will count.
Please note that the age ranges for Juniors and
Intermediates were printed wrong in the May Shovel Bulletin. They have been
corrected here.
Below are NA rule changes I would like to have voted on
this year for the 2004 El Toro North Americans. Having rejoined the El Toro
Association in 1989 and attended all but three North Americans since then, I
would like to propose two changes in how we run our class championship:
Change #1 The Silver Fleet
When the class had 50 or 60 seniors showing up for the NA’s
having two fleets might have had some logic. The reality is that our fleet,
like many other classes, is not growing anymore and splitting the fleet into
two groups with separate starts and trophies does not make as much sense
anymore. In the 2002 NA’s, at Huntington Lake, the fleets were less than 20
boats each. I feel this is a tradition whose time is up for now.
The quality of the sailors we have in our fleet is
improving and many, who would be in the silver fleet by splitting the fleet
after the first day of racing, would still do well in some of the races. An
argument I have heard at the various NA’s is that there would be more winners
and trophies and chances for more sailors to do well. My response is to remind
them that this is our annual championship regatta and that there are lots of
local races to chase trophies. Very few fleets split the sailors with
qualifying races anymore, unless they get over a 100 boats in attendance
(Lightings, and Optimist Prams). El Toro’s are getting 40 boats on a good
year and making two 20 boat fleets is hard to justify, except for tradition.
After all it is a championship race.
When we promote our fleet it’s a little embarrassing to see
our NA Championship determined by 18 or less sailors, especially when we are
growing and attracting new and old sailors. So my proposal is to only have a
Silver fleet if we have over 65 seniors sign up and any less than that they
all race together.
Text of proposed NA rule
change #1:
The North American Championship
Regatta shall be broken into two fleets, Gold & Silver, ranked by 3
pre-qualifying races, only if there are more than 65 boats registered in the
Senior Division. If 65 or less boats are registered there will be only one
fleet.
(This eliminates splitting into two fleets if the fleet is small, as we did
in the past.)
Change #2 The Intermediate Fleet
Before the advent of some more “sexy” boats (Lasers, etc.)
there was a fair amount of El Toro sailors in the 15-18 year old range. Not
anymore, in Hawaii (NA’s 2003) this year there were four intermediates and at
Huntington (NA’s 2002) two or three. We are not attracting that age group… and
I can not blame them, who wants to go race against 3 or 4 boats or even 7 or 8
in a championship event. I like to think that the El Toro is a great boat,
lots of good sailors, excellent tight racing, and people I like to visit with
at the end of the day. Given that lets invite that age group to sail with the
seniors. There is not that many classes that separate out the sailors by age
anymore. Who knows they might stay with the class or come back to us later
on? The El Toro Senior Fleet can always use some new sailors, and the lure of
racing in the Senior Fleet may bring back some sailors we have lost.
So my next proposal for a rule change for sailing in the
2004 NA’s would be to eliminate the Intermediate Fleet and turn them into
seniors. I thought maybe some exceptions like more than 20 sailors in that
age group, but changed my mind, lets see if we can keep a few racing with us.
How about this for a voting proposal.? Nothing would be lost since there are
no intermediate sailors in the El Toro group now, lets retire that fleet. And
see if we can tempt a few of our young sailors to stay with the El Toro.
Text of proposed NA rule change
#2:
The North American Championship
Regatta shall be broken into two age groups: Juniors, age
14 and under as of the
first day of racing. Seniors, age 15
and up.
(This eliminates the previously used Intermediate age group, age
15-18)
Thanks for your consideration for both proposals, I
believe they will help our fleet grow and besides who wants to sweat out the
Monday qualifiers when we could just go racing..??
-Fred Paxton (11649)